Here are some of the email messages I received in response to our discussion of the Academic Code of Honor and student disengagement on Monday, 21 February:
It was so refreshing to see a professor so dedicated to the learning of his students; someone who is
passionate about teaching. Your lecture the other day was the most influential
lectures of my education. I now look at being in your class as a privilege,
and look forward to the rest of the year with you.
I appreciate your concern for your students to truly learn the
information instead of just trying to get the grade. By you bringing up this
point, it brought me back to reality and made me think about what my intentions
for studying truly are. Thanks for taking the time to bring these topics up. It
made me realize some things that I hadn't really thought about.
When you expressed your concern for the lack of engagement in the
course it made me realize that it is important that I take advantage of all the
opportunities I have to increase my understanding of the material. . .It made a big impression on me that
you cared enough about your students to take an entire class to hear our
opinions.
I just wanted to say that I appreciate what you said Monday in class. While it
is disappointing to know that a portion of the "exceptional students" here at
Notre Dame consider cheating an appropriate action, I hope that those who heard
your lecture realize that it is unacceptable and destructive to the community
and educational merit of Notre Dame and change their actions and mentality
accordingly. I too have noticed that there are noticeable handful students who
also at least seem disengaged with their classes, not just in Economics, but in
other classes as well. While I cannot say that I am completely innocent from
this fault, one of the major things that I learned from experience last
semester is that if you do stay engaged in what you are learning by doing
assigned readings and listening and offering to discussions on the subjects,
you not only truly absorb the material (instead of only memorizing facts before
a test), but the class itself becomes drastically more interesting. Your words
about what makes Notre Dame an elite university and different from the average
school epitomized why we can still say that is--at least the faculty strives
to uphold our excellence and expects it back from the students. I believe that
I speak on behalf of many of the students in my class when I say that we are
busy, and the days go by faster than we want, and there are times when we are,
in a sense, paddling as fast as we can to stay on top of the homework and
tests that can, and do pile up. For this, I ask for a small forgiveness that
some of us don't attend office hours or study extra economics books what time
we do have. I realized during your lecture that I hadn't really considered
office hours as a time to simply discuss things in general; I thought of them
much more as a place to take specific questions. I know now what should have
been obvious-- that you don't to just have a question to ask professor
something. Also, there is a bit of an intimidation factor that I think prevents
many of us, myself included, from speaking up in class. That is something that
each of us will have to overcome personally. There are many other things I
recognized as needing to do a little differently, and I hope that others did as
well. The only statement I heard during Monday's class that I oppose completely
is the one that came from the student who said that it was a waste of class
time to talk about the subject at hand rather than the next lecture topics of
economics. Her statement alone, I believe, is the reason why you needed to give
that lecture in the first place. I applaud you for reminding my class of the
reason most of us are at this school and offering your suggestions for
achieving the education we have been preparing all our lives to receive. I
think it is a message that more than just the students in Economics 101 need to
hear, but if it makes even a slight difference to them, I believe it was
entirely worthwhile. Thank you for caring, and I hope more people will begin to
do the same.
I think this is an epidemic all over campus; having been here 3 years, I've
noticed that many people here are less concerned with a real, quality education
than getting the grades. I think society has had a major impact in this
attitude; it is nearly impossible to find a good job in today's work
environment without a 4 year degree. Because of that, more people are
attending college out of necessity, rather than a real desire to learn.
Because of the increased number of students attending 4 year colleges, the
competition for the good jobs has reached a cut-throat level. Society has told
students today that the most important thing is getting a good job and making a
lot of money; high schools motivate students to attend college by insisting
that what they really want, high-paying jobs, they cannot attain without a
college degree. As a result, I do think college has become merely a stepping
stone to many of today's students. And how do you get a good job? By getting
good grades while you're at college; it used to be enough to simply have a
college degree to get a decent job in the real world. This is insufficient
today and students now focus exclusively on the grades that they receive in
college. I will confess that at times I have found myself too worried about
what grade I was getting in a particular class and as a result I lost track of
the bigger picture.
Parental pressure is another major factor that contributes to the exorbitant
importance of grades; Notre Dame is obviously an expensive institution and I
think many parents may unwittingly place the majority of their concerns on
'getting their money's worth,' which they equate with success on exams, papers,
etc in the form of good grades, rather than actual learning. I know that is the
pressure that I feel most from my parents. I am not attempting to justify any
of this apathy or disengagement. I've come to the realization as my time here
is dwindling that the grades I receive are of secondary importance.
I think you raised some excellent points in
class, highlighting student's ridiculous nature when it comes to getting the
grades, and not worrying about learning at all. Unfortunately, some people
will always be like that, but I think that by talking to us today, you opened
many kids eyes as to why they are here- not to get the grades and the diploma,
but to learn, and most importantly who we are.
Upon hearing your thoughts about student disengagement in class today, I was
reminded of an article I read by Mark Edmundson, a professor of English at the
Univ. of Virginia. In this article, entitled "On the Uses of a Liberal
Education," Edmundson examines the brand of apathy towards learning that
plagues our economics class. I hope that, if you choose to read it (I have
added the link to the end of this message,) you may find that Edmundson can
shed some light on this issue. Edmunson points to consumerism as the downfall
for modern students. That is, we are shoppers looking for the most convenient
way to gain from our purchases. We shop for classes, require disproportionate
facilities etc.
Anyways, I'll let you read it for yourself, if you want:
http://www.student.virginia.edu/~decweb/lite/
I just wanted you to know that what you had to say in class today struck a chord
with me. The behavior of a disengaged student as you described in class partly
fits me, although I would never have considered myself as such in the past. I
don't miss class, I attend my discussion sections, but I do nothing beyond what
is traditionally expected of a student. Thank you for your honesty in this
matter. I mean to ammend my behavior and my attitude. Please don't give up
on us.
Hello there! I just wanted to drop you an e-mail to let you know that I have
observed the problems of disengagement that you spoke of today in many of my
classes. . .That said, I did have one small problem with today's lecture, which was that it
dwelled entirely on this issue of disengagement. I come to class to learn
about economics, and I pay a lot of money in order to do so. I felt today's
discussion could have been shorter and I really wish I would have learned
something about economics today. Hopefully we, as a class, will be able to
move on to more relevant topics. I definitely plan on attending your office hours in the near future.
I got into a huge debate with some fellow
dorm-mates following the lecture, and was surprisingly disturbed at how many
among the student body are here "for the degree." It is really sad that that
is what college has come to, especially at a place like this, where the
opportunities are as good as anywhere in the country. I strongly encourage you
to not only bring this up in your classes, but to the faculty board as well,
because I see this as an epidemic among students here (not all, but a good
amount). I feel this is something that needs to be addressed, because as you
saw, it definitely can affect the learning environment at this university. I
appreciate you taking the strong position you did in front of your students,
and feel that type of conversation needs to exist in more classes here, because
students need to learn that the purpose of college is not to get a high GPA or
simply graduate, it is to learn how to learn, and to engage in intelligent
conversation. I think too many students here just run through the motions.
You would be an incredible spokesman on this topic, and I encourage you to
bring it to a higher scale.
I have to say that it was quite encouraging to hear
the positive attitudes of several of my fellow students. With that said, I
can now see that I am not alone on my academic endeavors. There ARE indeed
others out there who want to learn, and this has given me a renewed sense of
encouragement. To be quite honest, I was beginning to believe that I
couldn't "hack it" here and that I was becoming a bad student who doesn't
study enough. But now that I see what a caring professor you are, what a
passion you have for learning, and how many students there are that truly
want to gain an enriching learning experience from our short time at ND, I
have been "recharged" again and it feels great! I feel like I've been
uplifted and I'm ready to tackle school to the best of my ability. I want to
take advantage of my years here at ND because I know they're going to be the
best years of my life. Time goes by fast and we have to realize that we have
no time to waste! I thank you for your encouragement, you have truly given
me that push that I needed to be the great student that I once was and that
I know I can still be! I thought for awhile there that I was "burnt out" and
couldn't do this anymore; but now I feel refreshed and ready to push through
the rest of this semester because it's still not too late to make this
semester a good one!
You have reached
more of us than you think, and I am deeply sorry that as a whole we have not
been able to reciprocate the energy you so obviously put into what you do.
Such passion and care should be taken by more of our professors here at Notre
Dame and quite truthfully, everywhere else. Please continue loving what you do
and loving Notre Dame. . .I hope that this proves to be a turning point in all of our
Irish educations. Thank you sincerely.
As one of the many students who you shot down in class, I would like to
tell you that perhaps you are focusing too much on the masses, who dwell in life
and not on people like myself who are actively engaged and interested. I
believe that I am not alone. From the comments I've heard and read, people
seem to love this class. Perhaps participartion is difficult since it requires
talking in front of such a large audience, but your talk has helped us overcome
such idiotic fears.
Because we have a huge class and TAs, I never thought that it would be
appropriate (forgive me- haha) to attend the Professor's office hours without
specific, pressing questions in mind.
However, now that you have essentially invited us in a most direct manner, I
will pay a visit at some point to discuss some thoughts on economics.
Of all the things you said when talking about disengagement and cheating, one thing impressed me the most. I was shocked and surprised to hear that office hours are not to ask questions, but to talk with the professor about anything. I like this idea because i would enjoy to hear more about what you think and i would like if you reflected on what i thought about the world in general. i will definitely be stopping by office hours to have intellectual conversations. Thank you for being a caring professor, i will be a caring student.
While it’s about 4 years too late for me, I do appreciate your attempts at changing the mindset of the students in your class. With the help of a little more self-confidence and years more experience I have been able to overcome the snickers and sneers of the freshman in the class and gone ahead and asked the questions that have been on my mind, and have been questioned as to the motives of my inquiries by other students outside class. It is a phenomenon that another professor of mine refers to as the “Notre Dame Mask”, where the majority of the class sits in their seats without any expression of interest or curiosity.
In the process of doing some research in some more academically centered journals, I developed my own ideas about what the major difference between a freshman and a senior is. Maturity and life experience obviously play a huge role in the development of a student over the years, but I think the biggest part of the development of any student who truly succeeds during his or her college years is the evolution of his or her view of the role of the teacher. Understanding that a college professor takes on a completely different role than a high school teacher is paramount to a students development. A student enters college with the understanding that the role of a teacher is to develop a students mind through the passing of knowledge. In this scenario the teacher is a question-answerer. In the occasion that a student doesn’t understand a concept, he or she asks the teacher a question to which the teacher replies with an answer. A college professor, though they all hold the capacity to answer questions, should not necessarily be a question-answerer. At the beginning of the semester, one of my professors wrote on the board a list of goals for the class. The list contained only one goal: “to become more sophisticated thinkers”, which should be the very essence of the college experience. In the process of fulfilling this goal I’ve come to the conclusion that college professors are question-askers. When I look back at my four years here I realize that the best professors I’ve had have been the ones who didn’t reply to my questions with an answer but rather those who replied with questions of their own. Developing into a sophisticated thinker is not achieved by having the answers given to you but rather by having the path shown to you. It is here that I think you have done a wonderful job to this point. On every occasion I’ve approached you, you have listened to my questions and helped me to understand by posing more directed and specific questions back at me.
Looking back it’s hard to imagine being in the shoes of these freshman as I have one foot in the real world already, but I can definitely see that they, much as I once did and probably still do, need a little guidance.
I've been giving Monday's class quite a bit of thought over the last few days.
I can honestly say it was probably the most uncomfortable class I ever sat in
but at the same time it sparked so much thought. I've been at college just
over a semester, and already I've gotten into this rut where some days I just
don't want to get out of bed and classes feel like such a chore. It seems that
the focus anymore is to just get through class to the next weekend or break,
without bothering to give a crap about the material unless it'll be on the next
exam. Your lecture and discussion with us Monday really made me rethink where I
was headed. I realized just how well-rounded I am becoming by going to this
university, regardless of what career path I choose. I've gained more
knowledge and different outlooks on life here in a semester and a half than in
four years of high school. From here on out, I want to try and be more
enthusiastic about my education instead of just let all the opportunities pass
by. I will never have these resources again in my life once I graduate. Thank
God I realized that my freshman year. I look forward to coming to your office
hours in the near future if for no other reason than the fact that you are
indeed my most fascinating and most approachable professor. The two
knuckleheads I sit by agree with me on this. We can talk about economics,
exams, Bruno's Pizza, you know, whatever. Thanks again for the push in the
right direction.
I was
really not impressed by the response of the students towards your class.
Personally I can say that I feel honored to be part of your class. I think that
a teacher should not only teach what he knows in terms of the material covered
in class but also he ahould teach values which will be much more helpful to
everyone. I find your class to be one of the few classes that follows this.